Are immigrants, even though they have a NL passport, seen by the natives as Dutch? If not, when does it?

Define a Dutchman.Legally speaking, I’m just that. Am I seen by my immediate environment? No, not really.

I have ever had a Russian passport.It was rolled with me and it was stolen along with my wallet, money and other passes. I have recovered the Dutch cards. I called the Russian Consulate at the time and made an appointment, but that was only possible after 6 weeks on a day when I was not able to do my studies. Otherwise I had to wait for the next fixed “consultation hour” and that was also difficult for me as a fulltime working student. Shortly thereafter I was naturalized and just travelled everywhere with Dutch passport. In short, I completely forgot that I had dual nationality.

For many years I have not stood still until the second passport suddenly became a hot item in the second chamber.Ahmed Abutaleb had it, Nebahat Albayrak had it, I had it virtual though but it was stolen and now expired. To do away with my second nationality would cost me a lot of time, money and energy.

I was at work when I heard a conversation between two indigenous colleagues.They felt that dual nationality carriers should choose: or waive the original citizenship or the piping.

I turned and said: “I was approved by the Royal Council as a Dutchman.Do you know for sure that you would succeed for this test?

And then it went into slow motion, I saw someone do a thumb up, then someone else another one still someone.The two colleagues in question mumbling such a thing from you do not have to react so excessively. But it felt just as tasty.

It depends on who you ask in the Netherlands.The higher that person is educated, the sooner he will be inclined to say: He has a Dutch passport and thus owns the same rights as other Dutch. Legally speaking, he is a Dutchman. Whether I recognise him directly as a Dutchman depends mainly on his behaviour.

You notice that in the perception of other Dutch people, one’s ethnicity is less important as someone is better integrated.With less important found I mean that it is less factored into our judgement about this person.

Better integrated means: the language speaks better, does not give way to his host country, not too pas and too unpas runs to scents with the traditions and views from his country of origin, and less emphasizes it in clothing and her pregnancy and not always immediately Loud in his foreign language begins to talk in the midst of the Dutch, when he meets a countryman.

However, anyone who, as a newcomer in the Netherlands, is culturally arrogant and explicitly demonstrates that it has little to do with our standards, our values, our cultural heritage, calls for unease, and that is what he calls himself.

I do not believe that there is only one country on Earth where this is not true.

The Dutch are not the same, for a small country like ours, the inhabitants are amazingly diverse in many respects.We have always been, and we will continue to do so. And that has always been our strength.

There are Dutchmen for whom ‘ Dutchman ‘ are a real thing. A status that you could accurately describe.But those Dutch people are much too divided, so it is a new newcomer way to adapt to them.

Most Dutch people look more at the effort to be part of society: How are you near, at work, at the sports club, at the school of your children?Do you make contact? Do you Help? Show your respect for people who are different?

Although a lot of Dutch people at the table can give very harnaste opinions about ‘ foreigners ‘, they will be positive about the newcomers in their personal circle very quickly.

And if you have enough personal contact, you will soon hear about it in your own environment.Whether you are ‘ Dutchman ‘ or not is less important-and only for a very limited group of Dutch people important.

The difference between immigrants and natives is a bit absurd.We have Dutch and not Dutch. And among those not Dutch we have tourists and ‘ residents ‘.

Ok, tourists, that’s clear… those go away so again.With regard to ‘ residents ‘, the difference is already a lot less clear. My (imaginary) neighbor born in Moroco 鈧?娄 he has a Dutch passport or not? I can’t see it on the outside. And what should I really care about.

Yes, many Dutchmen distinguish between people who are born here and those who are not.But for some reason they seem to have less trouble with that German or that Belgian who has come to live here than with that Moroccan or Somali.

And the fact that politics is a ‘ third generation Moroccan ‘ still considered as Allochtoon is godscomplained.

Let’s just mention the Beast by his name.Despite all the ‘ tolerance ‘ we think as the Dutch, we still think quite racist.

If you used to live as commuter from the city in our village, you never heard of the villagers in our mentality.Also Catholics and marchers were clearly separated groups and remained that. Suppose a Protestant became Catholic, it remained a strange duck. In short: Don’t nag about that lowland, your grandchildren are wrong…

Perhaps that same question was asked when the Hugo nuts came to the Netherlands and Spaniards settled here.

Over time, the concept of the Dutchman will adapt to the realities of the people living in the Netherlands.Surely after 100 + years. And that’s not long.

Difficult to give a general answer here.In recent years Zihni 脙 -Zdil has said many sensible things about it.

I know that.My partner is of immigrant descent. This question is therefore regularly on the table with us. Of course it is true that indigenous Dutch people of immigrant descent usually do not accept themselves as real Dutch.

But that would have to come from 2 sides.In My clean family, I see that many people do not identify themselves as a Dutchman, despite their dual nationality. They, including the 3rd generation, only identify themselves with the country of origin. Their only connection with Dutch society is to receive education, care, benefits and surcharges. All their capital is wiped out to the country of origin. It also remains out of the way when they are in debt restructuring while they build a rental apartment complex in the country of origin. On the Dutch, it is therefore dismissive as “dirty suckers”. Maybe not an optimistic story, but that goes in a good part of my clean family.

The fact that, despite being born and raised in The Hague and now after a few years in Twente to live, I have a pretty Twents accent in it, still get the question where I really come from, because I have a tan, says I think more than enough.I am second generation Allochtoon, but I think I will always be seen as a foreigner.

Sufficient, but not necessary: Speak Dutch with an Amsterdam accent and play football or football in the Dutch national team.Example: Ruud Gullt, Patrick Kluivert. Another example: Memphis, Virgil van Dijk (who also has a real Dutch name). In fact, Ziyech and Tadic also belong, but they do not play in the Dutch national team.

Mayor of Rotterdam are also helping.

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